Tag: Rapture

A Logical look at The Rapture & the Timing

by Raymond, posted in Understanding End Times

The only way in which the force of the above can be avoided is by saying that none of the descriptions of conflict affect the Church but only Jews who come to faith after the tribulation begins. We could then ask: If Jesus does not mean Christians when he says “you” in Matthew 24, how would we know that anything in the gospels addressed to “you” (disciples) applies to Christians? The theory that Christians are not addressed in Matthew 24:15ff (instructions for going through the great tribulation) sounds very much like an attempt to divorce Christians from what Jesus taught them in the gospels — indeed some ultra-dispensationalists have maintained that none of the material in the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, Luke) is for Christians! When Jesus tells the twelve to go into the world and preach everywhere we all take this as a command to us. It was given to Jewish Christians but the body of Christ constitutes their descendants. What is said to them applies directly to us. When Jesus addresses believers telling them how to cope during the tribulation, this must mean that they must expect to be on earth during the tribulation.

When is the Rapture is really a Question about when the dead are Resurrected

by Raymond, posted in Immortal Soul

1. The Rapture/Resurrection event will occur at the last trumpet. Scripture knows of only one last trumpet, the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15. This trumpet sounds after or “post”-tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). This is “the resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14), when all the faithful will be rewarded. 2. Jesus spoke of the “elect,” whom he equates with the disciples and their successors in the church. Matthew, who is his own best interpreter, elsewhere means “believers” when he uses the term “elect” (Matthew 22:14): “Many are called, but few are elect” (Gr. eklectos). It is a basic rule of good exegesis that a writer must be allowed to interpret himself.

What and When are the First and Second resurrections in the Bible?

by Raymond, posted in Understanding End Times

There are various beliefs about the two biblical resurrections mentioned in the bible based on what other doctrines the Christian believes. E.g. Pre-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation. About when they happen, who is involved in each one and why they happen. Even in Paul’s day the Greeks mocked him for his speech in Acts 17 in which … Continue reading What and When are the First and Second resurrections in the Bible?

Critique of Pre-Tribulation Imminence

by Raymond, posted in Pre and Post Tribulation

Proverbs 18:17 In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines. Preface by Raymond I see on social media sites like Twitter and in conversation the idea that the Rapture can come at any time. Many will get angry and dismissive when confronted with the below explanation addressing is … Continue reading Critique of Pre-Tribulation Imminence

Is a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Needed for the Wedding of the Church to Jesus?

by Raymond, posted in Book of Revelation

Pre-Tribulation Assessment The contention is that since Revelation 19:7-8 indicates that the church, Christ's Bride, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth Revelation 19:14 before the second coming, how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on earth awaiting Christ's 2nd Coming? If the rapture of the church takes place … Continue reading Is a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Needed for the Wedding of the Church to Jesus?

Rapture Terminology – The”Skeleton in the Closet”of Pretribulationism

by Raymond, posted in Understanding End Times

By Tim Warner © http://www.4windsfellowships.net “Technical terms” are nouns or descriptive noun phrases that are understood by the intended audience to refer to specific things even without explanation within the context. For example, the word "rapture" in modern prophetic speech is understood to refer to the coming of Christ for His Church. We do not … Continue reading Rapture Terminology – The”Skeleton in the Closet”of Pretribulationism

The Last Trumpet 1 Corinthians 15

by Raymond, posted in Understanding End Times

By Tim Warner © http://www.4windsfellowships.net Most pretribulationists believe the pretribulation rapture was not taught by Jesus, but was given to Paul as a special revelation. Therefore, it is important for us to see if what Paul taught about the rapture is different from Jesus' teaching. If there are mutually exclusive differences between what Jesus taught … Continue reading The Last Trumpet 1 Corinthians 15

How Many Second Comings? Part 3

by Raymond, posted in Pre and Post Tribulation

This is a continuation of How Many Second Comings? Part 2 11. He claims His bride vs. He comes with His bride According to Rev. 19:7, the Bride has just "made herself ready" at the very close of the tribulation! That is when the people in heaven announce that the time for the "Marriage of … Continue reading How Many Second Comings? Part 3

How Many Second Comings? Part 2

by Raymond, posted in Pre and Post Tribulation

This the continuation from How Many Second Comings? Part 1. Ice offers 13 examples of differences between the rapture and second coming. We'll take them in the same order. 1. Translation of all believers vs. No translation at all It is already obvious that Ice is relying solely on an argument from silence. He has … Continue reading How Many Second Comings? Part 2

How Many Second Comings? Part 1

by Raymond, posted in Pre and Post Tribulation

By Tim Warner © http://www.4windsfellowships.net Dr. Thomas Ice, of the Pretrib Research Center, argued that differences in terminology in various second coming passages require a separate pretribulation rapture, distinct from the second coming. 1 Ice began with a discussion of what pretribulationists really need to prove. Not surprisingly, he sets the bar for his side … Continue reading How Many Second Comings? Part 1